Wednesday, July 23, 2008

Kitchen - Palmolive eco+ gel dishwasher detergent

We human beings have a way of coming up with ideas that seem clever at the time and later turn out to have been a huge mistake. (New Coke, the SUV and bottled water all seem like pretty good examples of this phenomenon.)

Such is the case with phosphates, variants on phosphoric acid that were used in laundry detergents for decades and are still used in many dishwasher detergents.

Grist does a great job of explaining how phosphates in laundry detergents led to 'massive algal blooms in waterways' - which in turn led to legislation and regulation that forced laundry detergent manufacturers to remove phosphates from their U.S. products by the mid-1990s.

But apparently dishwasher detergent makers never got the message. As a result, dishwasher detergents have up to 8.7% phosphate concentrations, at least in some states like Michigan.

Other states like Washington have taken matters into their own hands by mandating that dishwasher detergent makers cleanse their products of phosphates sold in the state by mid-2010.

But Colgate-Palmolive's gotten a jump on its mass-market competitors with its new Palmolive® eco+ gel that's already phosphate-free.

Palmolive eco+ gel comes in three varieties - Lemon Splash, Citrus Apple Splash and Lavendar Splash. (That's a whole lot of splashing.) All of the varieties are labeled as having 0% sodium tripolyphosphate.

Now a crowd of green bloggers (like Tree Hugging Family) have jumped on eco+ for the fact that it contains chlorine bleach. They claim that chlorine is toxic and that therefore eco+ shouldn't claim green status.

I hear what they are saying, but I think your perspective on this issue probably depends on whether you are a dishwasher is half-full or half-empty kind of person. (Although we all know that we should only run the dishwasher when it's full to conserve water...)

Personally, I feel that Palmolive eco+ detergent is in fact greener than its mass-market counterparts and thus does deserve some eco-cred.

On the other hand, I certainly prefer to buy gentler products that have not been plastered with huge CAUTION labels warning to avoid contact with mouth, eyes and skin, and to call a physician immediately if the product is ingested.

I'm not convinced that chlorine is actually so horrible for the environment once it's sufficiently diluted. After all, we swim in chlorinated pools and we add chlorine regularly to our drinking water supplies in order to kill off pathogens and make the water safe for drinking.

On the other hand, further digging online does reveal health concerns about chlorine in tap water and suggestions that people who drink a lot of chlorinated tap water use carbon filters to remove trihalomethanes, compounds created as byproducts of the chlorine disinfection process.

So...I suppose that all things considered, the best solution would be to find a dishwasher detergent that had neither phosphates nor chlorine bleach. Seventh Generation makes such a product, but it has gotten very mixed reviews on Amazon.

One good alternative that comes to mind is Dapple powder, which contains neither chlorine nor phosphates. I've used Dapple with good results at home, though I do rinse my dishes before putting them in the dishwasher.

But if you can't find Dapple at your local store or if you really prefer a dishwasher gel, I think that picking a phosphate-free detergent like eco+ is a valid lite-green option.

Where to buy:
Palmolive says you can find eco+ dishwashing gel nationwide at mass merchandisers, drug stores and grocery stores.

(Note - Some links updated and formatting corrected 7/23/08 2:17 p.m. EDT)

7 comments:

Peggy said...

Hi Aaron. Just wondering if you tried this product?

My concern with it is that chlorine bleach is a health issue for everyone when breathed in, but especially for those with asthma. I believe Palmolive should be more straightforward about the inclusion of bleach for health reasons. Any true green products will list their ingredients. Eco plus fails to do this.

I've also read complaints about this product having an artificial and "bleachy" smell. It's not something I want wafting out of my dishwasher.

I've had good results with Ecover -- no phosphates AND no bleach.


Peggy

Aaron said...

hi Peggy,

Thanks for your comment!

I have tried the gel. I do agree that it has a smell of chlorine (the 'bleachy' smell to which you refer). Some people may find this bothersome. Others may associate it with cleanliness if they are used to using bleach in their laundry, for example.

Personally, I agree that there are probably Greener dishwashing alternatives out there. I have not tried Ecover, but I have used Dapple, which was developed to be baby-safe, but which I therefore figure is probably safe for adults too!

On the other hand, as I said in my post, I do think Palmolive deserves some credit for taking the phosphates out of its product and for those who are not so worried about chlorine, the eco+ detergent might be a good step in a greener direction.

In my non-extensive Internet research before posting my review, I didn't see anything about dangers of breathing fumes from the dishwasher. It doesn't seem to affect me, but then again I don't have asthma.

I do believe that there are different kinds of chlorine bleach and did read a number of warnings online against adding regular clothes bleach to your dishwasher, for example. So I'm guessing that the chlorine bleach formulation used in this dishwashing gel is safer and differently formulated than the one used on clothes.

I will however encourage the company to respond to your comments here too. I know there's been lots of concern on this point around the blogosphere and believe that healthy debate on the topic is a good thing.

Thanks again for your comment and hope you'll continue to read and stay informed on the products we feature. They won't all be equally Green, but I hope they'll all have at least some Green attributes that make them stand out from the conventional pack.

- Aaron Dalton, 1GreenProduct.com

Peggy said...

Aaron,

Here are a few links that discuss chlorine bleach as an irritant:

http://www.lungusa.org/site/pp.asp?c=dvLUK9O0E&b=117535

http://www.thedailygreen.com/living-green/blogs/organic-parenting/asthma-chlorine-55040901

http://www.care2.com/greenliving/chlorine-in-household-cleaners.html


I still say that if a product is really "eco," it shouldn't need a safety warning hidden on the back...

I agree though. Debate is good.

Thanks,

Peggy

Aaron said...

Hi Peggy,

Thanks for elaborating on your initial comments and for providing some links.

I think the links all do raise some legitimate and worthwhile concerns.

I would point out that Seventh Generation (the third link) has somewhat of a vested interest in describing the risks of chlorine bleach since I believe it makes and sells a bleach-free dishwashing detergent.

On the other hand, that doesn't mean we should automatically discount its warnings. The company is a respected voice on the Green scene.

The other two links seem impartial and valuable.

Thanks for adding to the discussion! Hope you continue to find the information on this site useful and worthwhile.

- Aaron Dalton, 1GreenProduct.com

Anonymous said...

Not only is Palmolive not being straight-forward in marketing this chlorine product, but it also leaves a terrible residue on dishes and in the dishwasher (see the epinion commentators who had the same problems). This is not a good product. If you really need to be eco friendly and get clean dishes, you may have to wash by hand.

Anonymous said...

I hate to have to say a negative comment about Palmolive eco+, however I have tried it, and was extremely disappointed in it. The dishes came out looking worse than when they went into the dishwasher. I thought maybe it was just a bad load. I then used the wal mart brand of cascade and it was fine. Tried eco+ again, and same results, just horrible! Thanks for trying though Palmolive. (Mistakes are only made by those who try) Not sure what to do with the full bottle of the stuff now. It's useless to me.

Spector said...

This bleach stuff is just plain stupid! When was the last time you ate dishwashing detergent?!? Do you use it as a daily cleanser or sit there inhaling the fumes? No. It's silly. Into dispenser. Close dispenser. Run machine. Bleach goes down drain. Degrades. Done.

There are reports of performance problems with the detergent that seem a lot worse than the fact it contains bleach. Now that Palmolive should truly be faulted for, because it could help give yet another 'green' or 'greener' product a bad name vis a vis cleaning ability (this means you too, Method!)